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Post by Vicorva on Oct 4, 2008 15:13:40 GMT
Since complaining/trying to make stuff better, and then making loads of folks mad seems to be my main talent, I've decided to devote a thread to it. Debate as you wish.
The current topic of complaint is: romance in RPs, and why the hell people even bother.
*Shallow
*Sappy
*They only know each other for a matter of days
People should make chars that aren't solely interested in love. Seriously. At least make an honest, only wants sex char if you're going in for the quick-love business. At least that's realistic.
I'm all for romance in RPs, but I guess my taste in it has become rather well.. conservative. I cringe at some of my previous attempts. Be best friends or worst enemies for 20 threads, at least. Or bond over a BIG experience- not just hanging out.
More complaints will follow, but feel free to discuss this/get mad at me until that moment comes.
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Post by Chaos 303030 on Oct 4, 2008 15:25:13 GMT
My only complaint is that they eated my f**k dang'd cookie!
Hehe. But, agreed on the Romance complaint.
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Post by webster52402 on Oct 4, 2008 15:28:54 GMT
lol. Actually, I agree with you on all counts there, but the thing about it is: Most people don't have the patience to fall in love for real in an RP, they simply make the connection and be done with it. Now, I on the other hand, need some kind of spark there, and though my characters may be FRIENDLY at first, they'll never outright go for romance, until much later.
However, friendliness kind of blurs with romance at times, especially if the others take it as such. *Ponders*
Not much we can really do about that one. Guess I'll have to try and make more 'dark' romances. Not all these, as you put it, 'sappy' ones. xD
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Post by Vicorva on Oct 4, 2008 15:41:23 GMT
Hehe. I wonder what sort of character would possibly EVER attract Wilfric while also managing to be interested in him. With your characters, it's pretty much a given that if there's going to be a romance, it'll have to be an interesting one.
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Post by Vrek on Oct 4, 2008 16:09:29 GMT
Well, you'd have to admit, most people that do that are only looking for more character developement for their character, and most RP's never make it off the ground, only getting to the first of second page, so they try to make it quick. I would like to see something more realistic in that field, but it just so unlikely, seeing how unstable that field is in the first place.
What I dislike is when in large RPs there form groups and circles of people, and some characters never interact with any other characters that aren't in their personal field. (That's in localized groups, that is. Like The Longest Journey in the BGSF,,not like Stranded in a Nightmare here.) A great example would be Alyssa from the Longest Journey. Pretty much only directly interacting with Adeth, only very minorly with everyone else.
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Post by webster52402 on Oct 4, 2008 16:12:24 GMT
Well, Lex COULD have done it. However, she said and did all the wrong things at all the wrong times, and then betrayed Wilfric's Father, so... Yeah, now he's going to kill her. xD
And yes, Stranded in a Nightmare offers perfect opportunity for development. As is shown by my normally fearless Perur suddenly cowering, screaming, and running like a scared child. *Forehead smack* Grow a spine!
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Post by Vicorva on Oct 4, 2008 16:19:14 GMT
I LOVED how mad Wilfric got at Lex. I was going to have the darkness force her into servitude to Wilfric, making her believe she was in love with him even as he was cruel to her at every available opportunity, but then I decided to have her like Phorease and then have to fight to the death with him.  Groups like in TLJ do annoy me.  But Stranded is alright: that's all a part of FC's crazy machinations, so its not so bad. |
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Post by FC4 on Oct 4, 2008 18:04:32 GMT
LOL. Glad to hear that. I will admit a nice, sizable number of my relationships in RPs have been pathetic, sappy, and quick. Nothing really can seem to compare to Jericho-River; in fact anything I compare to it seems downright pathetic. It had it's bad bits, but I think Jericho and River remain the funnest, most enjoyable, and most well made of any relationships I've had for characters. Second only to Kira, and her little love triangle. She classifies simply because it was actually her CHARACTER to be sappy, clinging, and pathetically romantic. Part of no self esteem and depression.  Others, notably Iris and Zant really, are pretty so-so. I think they make up for it in the fact they've been separated for some time and only now in Those Remaining is Zant even THINKING of staying with her for life, in marriage. I think Iris has been a mix of both good and bad; Her and Perur made for great drama, but was a bad relationship overall. Her and Veyar, then Zant, has made for something quite interesting and close to realistic, but still short. I have to agree with Vrek about the reasons behind the sheer speed of these relationships, but there also is the fact that conflicts and disasters have an uncanny ability to bring people very close together. Of course, that doesn't necessarily mean they will fall into undying love for one another. The thing is, humans are naturally grouping beings. If you watch a group of people develop, they will quickly split and divide into groups depending on their like/dislikes, beliefs, etc. It's a fundamental aspect of society, really. Only when we consciously TRY to meet with and communicate with other groups, does co-mingling occur. Work and conscious effort must be put in for groups to mingle with each other. This is how and why societies have conflicts, but can still pull together when they feel the need to do so. And I actually am making a conscious effort to include Alyssa and such in TLJ. Not sure how it is working out though. |
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Post by storyteller on Oct 4, 2008 21:08:17 GMT
Grandma Illusionary, thats so your nickname from now on.
On Romance, I have no problem with it, but its not done too well very often. Sexual encounters are understandable, but dropping head over heels for someone who leaves no reason isn't exactly great storytelling.
My biggest gripe is elitism. Now to those who remember Loranna's roleplay it had many things that were excellently done in roleplays, romance, appropriate sex scenes, epic villains and encounters, and a strong lore background. However they were the snobs of TES forum, and if you disagreed with them on anything they would say they would try to make you look and feel stupid. Their matter of fact answers to everything were aggravating.
In my brief stint within their roleplay I was a bit turned off about how they would trash talk people who disagreed with any member in the chat, and how they would rule every member's post as soon as they did it, as if it was their responsibility to oversee posts.
That being said, they had good rps...even though they basically planned everything out in the chat before posting it in the forums.
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Post by Vicorva on Oct 4, 2008 21:20:32 GMT
Yeah, I know what you mean. I've probably been guilty of that on occassion, although I always try to be only helpful, and open to new ideas, I am an old dog that is slow to learn new tricks. Funnily enough, I was afraid to join SoS because it seems elitist. Everyone there are so good at RPing, and skilled on a level I've never even attempted to go to before, I didn't see how I could possibly fit in. I'm still struggling, frankly: trying to come up with a force to add, but can't quite work up the courage. |
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Post by storyteller on Oct 4, 2008 21:31:46 GMT
Yeah, I know what you mean. I've probably been guilty of that on occassion, although I always try to be only helpful, and open to new ideas, I am an old dog that is slow to learn new tricks. Funnily enough, I was afraid to join SoS because it seems elitist. Everyone there are so good at RPing, and skilled on a level I've never even attempted to go to before, I didn't see how I could possibly fit in. I'm still struggling, frankly: trying to come up with a force to add, but can't quite work up the courage. Thats actually the last thing we would want to be, Immortal himself expresses the discomfort of being that guy who isn't "in" with the rp groups, and hated the feeling. The actual point of the timeline was to have an ongoing roleplay with a group of dedicated people, who accepted everybody no matter what. thanks for the compliments by the way, but for the girl who received the Roleplayer of the year award for 2007 I dont think there is anything you have to worry about. I actually have to apologize for your lack of interaction so far, the war is coming to a close so everybody is really concentrating on what we want to be a multi faceted roleplay, the war. Damn, I dont wanna steer this topic off course. Another gripe, people who roleplay villains who dont wanna die. |
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Post by webster52402 on Oct 4, 2008 21:33:02 GMT
I thought the point of being a villain was that you die at some point? That, or you win out...
Gripe of my own. People who play HEROS that don't want to die. ;D
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Post by Vicorva on Oct 4, 2008 21:36:41 GMT
Lol! I kill my heroes all the time, so don't complain at me. As for villains... villains who RP fairly are alright, whether they're immortal or not. Villains who refuse to lose... like ever annoy me. Sometimes, people need to take a hit, and if you're one baddie surrounded by fifty heroes, take the damn hit, or at least run away. *shrugs* It's a mark of my awful character that I enjoy this thread so much. ^_^ |
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Post by FC4 on Oct 4, 2008 21:43:37 GMT
See, that's why I think I make a good villain with Jackorn Von Stralon. He's got the character to not back down and die, to not give in, but he was also made to die. Once he reaches the point in which he was made, he'll die. I won't like it, but I will do it, as it was his purpose.
What hero wants to die? Though typically a hero is one who sacrifices themselves for others, so the only true heroes would be those die for others. Don't think I've done this yet. One day I may.
And I agree Illusionary; when surrounded, take the hint, and the hits, and either die or haul ass. THis is actually something I am about to do in Angel as the Archmage. He's about to walk right into humiliation, and right now I'm just thinking of a way to soften the blow...
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Post by Vicorva on Oct 4, 2008 21:47:00 GMT
Jackorn annoys the heck outta me. And it's unfair to make a character that dies as part of a hidden plot in an RP: because if he'sa villain, other players should have the chance to effect that plot.
But meh: I have lost almost all patience with TLJ2. I am just there because I like rping with halfy.
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But Stranded is alright: that's all a part of FC's crazy machinations, so its not so bad.
