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Post by FC4 on Nov 2, 2008 17:55:06 GMT
I have to admit, else I will seem a hypocrite and further embarrass myself for it, that I have been guilty of this offense on plenty of occasions. Interestingly, it was not notable in my first female, Kira; she was just a clingy depressive gal, her reasons more psychological than physical for wanting a relationship. Once again, she is the best character I have ever had.
I'm not even going to bother counting the number of offensive characters I have had to this respect. Now, for some MEN this was a part of their character -Norien, with his womanizing- and seemed more appropriate. Past him, I'm not even going to bother defending. A few of them were dressed for more practical reasons, but it gets interpreted sexually. Others were just me being my terrible hormonal teen boy self. We all have our moments.
Incidentally, I was thinking about this once while riding my bike around campus, and around then realized the immature ass-ness of it. It does make me feel like a bit of a [censored]-tard for it, but we all make mistakes, and I plan on changing up my characters a bit to compensate for my idiocy. First will be with my Genasi character, I'd made her with all intention of being a more refined, less offensive female.
Seeing as I happen to be the only man on the board here with female characters of this offense (that I am aware of anyways, and kinda makes me feel like I'm getting reprimanded without being named :\ ) I'll say in defense that it is a small bit of immaturity in all males, no matter how mature, that can crop up without warning. And it ain't always the easiest thing to fix, either, as those behaviors become a part of the characters.
Should I be hanging my head in shame? *unsure*
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Post by Vicorva on Nov 2, 2008 21:12:07 GMT
No Frank, no shame. Just realise it pisses some folks off. (and you aren't that bad, really, although it DOES annoy me that, being a top RPer, you go without scrutiny.) Ditto Scow: Dar'Shandi, as an example, is good because he is a goof, but he goes too far sometimes, and I seriously cannot see how he managed to get ANY females in his past, let alone the long lists that you seem to imply. I'm glad everyone seems willing to accept this: I have a habit of voicing complaints that aren't appreciated by the majority of folks, valid or no. And at Vrek especially: You are possibly the MOST perfect RPer out there, in terms of getting it all just right. And you have a lot more patience than me, so I know you can handle the sort of RPs I opt out of.  Just thought I'd say. |
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Post by FC4 on Nov 2, 2008 21:22:29 GMT
No Frank, no shame. Just realise it pisses some folks off. (and you aren't that bad, really, although it DOES annoy me that, being a top RPer, you go without scrutiny.) I'm glad everyone seems willing to accept this: I have a habit of voicing complaints that aren't appreciated by the majority of folks, valid or no. And at Vrek especially: You are possibly the MOST perfect RPer out there, in terms of getting it all just right. And you have a lot more patience than me, so I know you can handle the sort of RPs I opt out of. Just thought I'd say. Few ever really came to me about it, so how am I supposed to be aware how horrid it is? I have certainly gotten better (I recall Shakira with a shudder these days), but I'm not all that improved on this matter. I suppose my saving grace would be how natural it sometimes fits their characters, and isn't always their defining trait. You are not alone concerning the annoyance. It irritates me to no end, this 'position of power' I seem to have, where no one will question me for being experienced. I may be stubborn, folks, but I can be made to admit wrong! :\ And most complaints aren't taken well. Criticism, constructive or otherwise, can be hard to swallow. I'm gonna have to agree about Vrek though. |
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Post by scow2 on Nov 2, 2008 23:20:13 GMT
I think I am going to have to defend Dar'shandi's tomcat reputation for his way with the girls.
The females he is used to dealing with are not human. They are cats, and the occassional young dunmer. I do not know anything about human relationships, living out in the middle of nowhere, but I do know how cats handle romance. There is quite a bit of lore about khajiit that I find points to them being more promiscuous than most races, both male and female. Though human cultures have a tendency to share common values (which I believe comes from the fact we are all from the exact same non-primordeal-sludge source.), when you are dealing with completely alien races and cultures, mating habits can differ greatly, and lead to offensive situations.
Also, I think I can explain why the more "pro" RPers have a tendency to do it more than the "newbs"...
1. FC4 makes up about 50% of them as far as rep goes.
2. They generally are "young adults"... the high-school junior to sophomore college age when sexual content becomes more acceptable in everyday life in general. People older than college-age have real lives to lead, not these fantasy RPs, and those younger are less experienced RPers, and still understand what content is PG-13, are less comfortable with the rules about sexual content, and get shot down because they don't have the epic rep.
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Post by FC4 on Nov 3, 2008 0:42:06 GMT
Also, I think I can explain why the more "pro" RPers have a tendency to do it more than the "newbs"... 1. FC4 makes up about 50% of them as far as rep goes. 2. They generally are "young adults"... the high-school junior to sophomore college age when sexual content becomes more acceptable in everyday life in general. People older than college-age have real lives to lead, not these fantasy RPs, and those younger are less experienced RPers, and still understand what content is PG-13, are less comfortable with the rules about sexual content, and get shot down because they don't have the epic rep. Way to stick up for me man... :\ Nah, I'm not really offended, because in looking at it you are likely right. However, you deal a low and horrid blow with your second point. I do have a life, it is the reason my activity has dropped as much as it has lately. Being of junior high school to sophomore college year hardly eliminates having a real life to lead. Oh, and by the way... the same argument can be used to defend the Dunmer... but people don't always take to those ideas. This seems to be one of those hot topics like Ubering, where it is very difficult to defend yourself, and when you walk away from the argument you often aren't sure just what you could do to better your performance and prevent the same argument, without completely changing your characters. |
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Post by Vrek on Nov 3, 2008 3:14:55 GMT
And at Vrek especially: You are possibly the MOST perfect RPer out there, in terms of getting it all just right. And you have a lot more patience than me, so I know you can handle the sort of RPs I opt out of. Just thought I'd say. I'm gonna have to agree about Vrek though. Yup... feels good to be awesome. And Frank, these kinda arguments are the best to be had. It's like convincing someone to juggle smell pewter figurines. It's mostly pointless, and difficult to do, but when you do it, you can't help but walk away feeling amazing. To Scow, being of High School Junior to College Sophomore, I gotta say, I happen to have a life as well, and that was a bit overgeneralizing. |
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Post by Aulakauss on Nov 3, 2008 3:41:29 GMT
*itches ear nervously* Eh.. heh.. I think I'm guilty. I must admit that Fedura is kinda one of those sex-crazed females, but her crippling homophobia can be hilarious in spots and she didn't exactly have the.. eh.. best upbringing (raised by rape-and-pillage style bandits). But still.. I think there's a bit of my being an ass in there. Ahdanjha's a little like that, but she's almost just like a female version of her mate, Va'Rahkshi. Both of them fit into several.. odd categories. Karst.. I noticed something kinda like that when I first made her and made great efforts to make her more realistic by observing the various goings-on and dramas of the relationships of my female friends. What I ended up with is likely the deepest character I ever created. I can't say I've had a homosexual character just yet, but I've had a couple bi ones on both sides. My females are Ahdanjha and Menelri, and Menni's bi only in that she doesn't know about the social taboos and things regarding same-gender stuff. She sees beauty and attractiveness in people regardless of sex. Ahdanjha.. she's.. well, she's just a horny, murderous psychopath like her mate, with whom she's got a strange sort of open relationship/marriage thing going on. I kinda flirted with the idea of Karst being secretly/subconsciously bisexual at one point, but decided to just make it her being a mischievous wench who's secure enough with herself to play around/flirt with other women just for the amusement and shock value of it. As for bi-sexual males, I have two of them, but.. they've seen little light; Va'Rahkshi and Xelinar. Rahkshi's one that believes in 'taking what you can get' as he puts it and is oddly sweet to those he beds considering his immoral, violent nature. Xelinar's just.. well.. he's a two-year-old Dremora trapped in a teenage Dunmer's body that wants sex and doesn't care what gender his partners are. And then there's Trisha and Sindri who're, in essence, afraid of sex, Dunken who's too ADD to concentrate on someone long enough to bed them unless he's drunk, Eggsaline who's so burnt out on drugs and stuff that she doesn't even know what sex is, and Ashikme who's a semi-prudish aging woman that'll only get in bed with someone she's in love with. In essence, I know I'm guilty but I'm working on it for the most part.  |
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Post by Gilboron on Nov 3, 2008 16:21:34 GMT
@the most recent gripe:
Agnar Bronzebone could be the most guilty of this, but this is often purely to characterize his relationship with Kavaliera and/or for comic relief.
Related to this gripe, is that often, when someone gives a character a whip as a weapon, everyone immediately interprets it sexually, while it's just a cool disarming weapon that makes exploding sounds.
(Side note: Prostitutes can be deep, thought-out decent characters too.)
And Agnar is bi and Alexander Dolus is gay.
There, I said it.
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Post by Vicorva on Nov 4, 2008 14:20:27 GMT
Khajiits are NOT that sexually promiscuous- I think this is just you interpreting it to fit your wishes, dear Scow. Only the more barbaric khajiit, by my reckoning, were particularly 'promiscuous'- if you'd call rape promiscuous. Dunmer most certainly are sexually promiscuous, and I will usually excuse dunmer for being so- but the fact is, they aren't played as experimental, it's attempted to be justified by them falling head over heels all over the place, or else is role-played in nearly-cyberish depth. *looks slightly nauseated* Particularly for dunmer that were not born, bred and raised steeped in dunmer culture, I don't find it acceptable though.
Other characters I don't find acceptable are 'uses her sex appeal to get her way/manipulate, but has never had sex' thus making her the perfect male dream- they get their undamaged flower who's still 'sexy' in their eyes.
Ick.
I do very rarely play sexual active or curious characters- the few exceptions are Zohara- who is more of a glamorous/gritty balance sort of character, and (based on my kiitreni character in FOH) the dunmer Raina Edgewalker- who caused quite a bit of uproar in the only RP I've had her in so far by not forming any kind of romance with the guy pining after her, and instead filled the timeskip with a number of meaningless romps with random NPCs. (I made her an RP character for that purpose actually: breaking the stupid 'falls desperately in love' and 'long-winded description of how much they want it' moulds.)
But I never RP sex with even the lead-up to it. In good taste, I can't really abide RP sexual encounters. I'll admit, they can be done well, but so far I haven't really seen them done great- perhaps with the exception of Kira and Will Ross, where it had been a very long time coming and it was nearing the end of the RP so Kira had to get pregnant somehow...
Anyway: as a general rule, I would advise laying off the sex-heavy RPing, unless there is some kind of purpose to it story or character-wise (as in, it's actually productive to the RP, rather than just for your enjoyment). But then, hey: as long as it isn't going to annoy me or any other RPers, I won't complain.
It's just that it fairly often seems to be directed most unwantedly at my chars.
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Post by DarkNova50 on Nov 4, 2008 18:23:09 GMT
Yeah, I have to say I was surprised at just how...frisky you've been portraying Zohara, especially when she was eyeing up the various men in the room for potential bedmates. (Which, had he known, would have likely sent Alderin running through the nearest window)
Also, Kira + Will = Woot! I still remember when that was going on, back in the day when Aron would start griping about the guild, and River and Jericho would start making bedroom eyes at one another.
Remember Big Bucket of Love Soup? (Not as bad as it sounds, people.) Those were good times...
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Post by FC4 on Nov 4, 2008 18:39:23 GMT
I remember it. You coined the phrase. *sigh* Those were the glory days, really. Don't think we can ever replicate the beauty of those relationships. I too was surprised by Zohara, being so unlike your norm, IN, but I actually found it refreshing. I say don't stop or change that about her; I can learn a bit from your performances with her, as you do a fine job of being frisky, but still classy about it, or however one wishes to term it. No matter how good I get, You'll always one-up me Illusionary. |
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Post by Vicorva on Nov 4, 2008 20:11:46 GMT
I remember it. You coined the phrase. *sigh* Those were the glory days, really. Don't think we can ever replicate the beauty of those relationships. I too was surprised by Zohara, being so unlike your norm, IN, but I actually found it refreshing. I say don't stop or change that about her; I can learn a bit from your performances with her, as you do a fine job of being frisky, but still classy about it, or however one wishes to term it. No matter how good I get, You'll always one-up me Illusionary. I don't know how to respond to that, really, except thanks.  |
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Post by scow2 on Nov 5, 2008 0:27:45 GMT
I think I have dropped many hints about Dar'shandi's sexual prosmiscuity coming from a personal hero of his, (even though his hero was executed in a rather gory way). Also, some lore does point to the more passion-driven lifestyle of the khajiit, even if its not all about the sex.
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Just thought I'd say. 
